That place has haunted me for years.I was there about three months when the first of the girls began to arrive they would make us lay on the ground and put our face in our hands so we couldnt look at them.I remember the pit, the hobbit and all the bullshit we had to go through. I believed that his counselor, Laurie was looking out for him. I returned with dreads and a weird tan and I smelled like crap and had to shower like 5 times (Thats 15 minutes in total, woohoo). Listing provided by TMLS. Ihave been trying to find one person if anyone is still in contact. When I could be doing all of these things on my own free will in my home town! Spring Family Farm | Belgrade Montana | Fay Ranches Call 800.238.8616 Email info@fayranches.com Home Properties Listing with Fay About Education Contact Spring Family Farm Belgrade, Montana SHARE inquire Price Reduced $5,300,000 313 Acres DOWNLOAD PROPERTY BROCHURE I had no idea there were websites like this. I started my period all alone and was laughed at by other girls. i once ran away while on a transport in missoulaa douche named cliff was our family father at the timeso many memorieswhat a shit hole, I was in Excel as well. I was unaware that a website like this existed until a girlfriend of mine told me about it. Not to change my behavior for the better. Jay with the dish bowl chest. From Morava to Spring Creek both were awful ! Only white cotton undergarments from now on. Anyone who remembers me should get at me on facebook. That was what it was before your time. He would have been in a completely different place and what happened to him maybe never would have. I knew I was fucked. The only question I got an answer too was what happens to Brandy now? The good news is I hear they are having major financial struggles. Sold: Vacant land located at Nhn Nevada Spring Creek Rnch, Helmville, MT 59843 sold on Apr 8, 2022. I promised my daughter that I would bring her home as soon as she completed her schooling. I do not give SCL or my family any credit for that!! No worksheet, just a wooden cubicle to waste away in while a junior staff crunches on Cheetos and tells you to not turn around in your seat. Spring Creek Ranch is located on a wildlife sanctuary almost 1,000 feet above the town of Jackson and has the most spectacular views of the Teton Mountain Range, including the world famous 13,700-foot Grand Teton. Mannn I was so shady at that place. Finally I somehow stuffed my shit together in the pack and finally they helped me after my pack fell apart because I packed it one handed. Either way he was a genuinely good man. Its like they were taunting the kids. That the worst time of my life. I was put out there with kids coming off drugs and had been in gangs. I have apologized to her but not sure she really forgives me. 1221 Spring Forest Drive, Rocky Mount, NC 27804. but its true. To anyone who would like to reconnect with me or even just have another Spring Creek friend.Im at pressurecooker19@hotmail.com. I was scared and lonely the entire time. Making sure to give out cat 3 violations to keep the numbers down on the 18+ trips to town. What a creep show those seminars were. When I got home I looked up the school online. www.ranchflip.com is using a security service for protection against online attacks. And I wished they would of just let me get through that part of my life whether I would of gotten arrested and had to do some jail time. I was put on a plane to Arizona in December and I ended up being forced marched through the canyon country for 3 weeks. Lol I remember doing the kettle corn lol smh. . What pisses me off the most is for the money are families were forking out for this joke of a place is if They truly had people that came from troubled backgrounds and got through there battles in life that knew how to relate to us and actually would of put that money to good use by actually taking us to do productive activities that are designed to build confidence, self-esteem, coping skills,ect,ect by group hikes, snowboarding trips, base ball games,flag football games, mountain biking, relay races I could go on and on. It sucks but it is what it is you make the best with what life throws at you. lately I have been finding a lot of these comments about the old wwasp programs and I find it great that we can all now come back in to touch with people from this time!!! This was accomplished mainly by talking. Once you feel detached enough to fight the bastards and spread your own testimony of their treachery, do so. Hugged, laughed and cried. Some birds arent meant to be caged. Sold. I remember Natalie Carson making each girl feel as pretty as her. I also got in trouble for talking to other level-ones as level-ones can only talk to their buddies or level-threes and higher. And as trainer I nearly became corrupt as the staff at first. We will have to transfer her to another level facility.. Its productive waters located in the heart of Paradise Valley draw anglers from far and wide. We were all put in one big suburban/bus and drove through the snow up to Montana. After I sent her there things began to calm down at our home and I realized how broken our family was and made big changes at home. I looked at them and looked at Brandy. and helped me put my pack together. He was from Ohio and was there about a year before going to Czech. During the next year and a half I went through the early versions and mistakes of what would evolve into the stories you all have told. Not all locations fish well every month but there is always something peaking on any given week. The ladies were odd. Nelson's Spring Creek is a premier fly fishing destination in Montana and is located on our ranch 10 miles south of the town of Livingston, Montana in Paradise Valley, just 40 minutes from Yellowstone National Park. I struggle to open up all of the memories but they have started flooding back over the last few years! I was Jakes closest friend there and I tried to convince him not to run because I knew he wouldnt make it we all felt the same about busting out of there. http://www.flickr.com/photos/100005874@N05/ With over 3 miles of productive spring creeks, two fishing ponds and many other wetland sloughs onsite, the outdoor opportunities are endless. I was in and out of worksheets/intervention from walking opposite direction as my (courage)family group on purpose to always keep the staff on their toes I guess you cn say I have a problem walking a straight line with others? In fact, in order to even speak to Linderman, your parents needed to pay more. Tried to stay positive and give my mom everything she had paid foran acceptable me? Kevin whats up brother? Mike, Im pretty sure I was there with you. Quick synopsis: Last Monday we got to work and on our work radio we were told to be on the lookout for a missing girl. It was completely unexpected, I didnt get to say goodbye, and I was permitted to return home like I wanted. I was there may 2001 to april 2002. One time Chaffin hit 3 golf balls into the woods and said if we didnt find all 3 we would all drop to level one. I was switch after maybe 1 day, if my memory serves me correct to Dignity. Kids trying to kill themselves left and right. I hope youre doing great and have found someone that loves you for you! does anyone know? We were isolated from any houses or people way up there, and didnt have any food to bring with us anyway. I will make it to California within the next 2 days. MAILING ADDRESS 101 Nelson's Spring Creek Rd. WOW. Oh oh . Tanner, the ranch manager, was beyond hospitable, caring, and accommodating. They wouldnt let me keep any of my belongings. So you couldnt process the traumatic loss you just experienced as a child being drug out of your bed in the middle of the night. it was hilarious but annoying. I was 15. My name is Stephanie Hudson and i went to Spring Creek Lodge in 1999-2000. Still havent heard from him love to find him one day he was a good partner. Memoir: Thompson Falls Montana The O'Hair Ranch offers 1.3 miles of fishable water before it hits the property line of DePuy's Spring Creek LLC. To those of you who bled and cried with us through gravel pits and focus seminars (lifeboat process ) I love you and if we unite against these bastards in a mature and orderly fashion, we can give them the coups de grace that they need. These folks eventually kicked me out, wanna know where they sent me? I had no Idea where I was taken for months. To all the staff and ppl who ran that facility, if I find anyone of you I will torture and kill you slow for what you have done to my head. I visited Amazon to see if there was an audio version because its hard for me to make time to read, and I am trying to educate myself on different approaches to improving my husbands and my relationship with our 16 1/2 year-old daughter. These technical fisheries originate from underground aquifers and flow cold and clear year round. how do I staff a seminar after I have graduated from the program? WINTER FUCKING IN MONTANA! Also the hobbit what a joke i had locked myswlf in the porta potty cause i didnt wanna go back in. I feel for you. . Anita I wish your family the best. Thank you. Also, if you wouldnt mind posting this comment on the Youth Foundation page, more parents would be able to read it before they considered sending their kids to youth foundation success academy. Anyone remember Corwin Preston? I know there was a lot of sadness and angst associated with this place, but for me its mostly comedy. some life skills courses, trade courses. Now I find this survivor website!!!!! www.ranchflip.com is using a security service for protection against online attacks. Rivers such as the Big Hole, Ruby and Jefferson can all be reached within minutes of the ranch, and the Madison is a 1-hour drive. Im from Florida so I didnt go out there with any warm clothes.so I believe my mom sent her like 300 bucks to buy me a jacket. He was an instant friend. if anyone out there remebers me email me I would like to hook up with some of you guys. I had one of my best friends from 9 years old tell me about 6 months ago that I didnt come back from that place the same. And what capacity? Everything you said X 10 During that hour Cameron and someone else came in the bathroom looking for me and there was a person in one of the stalls a couple doors down from mine lol. aka looking out the window at you haha. But scl was filled with the same shit. I saw level sevens crushed because they lost all their points for a trivial reason. I dont. Even if we accepted your premise, the staff at these programs never received the kind of training necessary to properly make any kind of decisions on restraint of any kind (as evidenced by the bodyslamming, which is definitely NOT a medically-approved form of intervention) nor to offer any sort of treatment at all, which is probably why they didnt offer any in actuality. They put us through seminars that were some weird brain washing bullshit. Rem me? In the end I had my own successful demonstration of defiance. Honestly I didnt know what to do with my child. Let them grow through there phases in life. Few places on earth can match the picturesque beauty of the DePuy ranch with the Absaroka Mountains towering above a valley filled with deer, swans, cranes and bubbling trout waters. Cleveland National Forest encompasses 460,000 acres (720 sq mi (1,900 km 2)), mostly of chaparral, with a few riparian areas. Yes most needed help or guidance, but this kind of sickening treatment of youth is disgusting. I was in Spring Creek Lodge from 1999- 2000. This is enough for me for now. Yes! I was there too. Whats up buddy, Courage was formed after I had arrived in that hell hole. I watch as my other siblings get love but theres never enough left over for me. Property information provided by MRMLS when last listed in 2021. So as unaccountable as it is, was not all my fault. They finally kicked me out but told my family it was because I wouldnt stop making myself throw up..which is true..but i think that mini riot pushed them over the edge. We were all coming from Sky View Christian Academy, which was a WWASP program in Hawthorne, NV that was forced to close because of a handful of lawsuits/complaints. Shit all the trains out here unless commuter are moving slower than I can walk. I saw the special treatment given to girls that had been there too long in order to speed up their graduation. maggie.bidwell@gmail.com. His hands were in my underwear. Get the latest updates and new property listings from Fay Ranches We provide beds, mattress and mattress cover and bring your own bedding. Tell me why this muthafucking train was flying by at about 60 mph. For the things that were done to me and then sent me to Jamaica for defending myself. My nightmares were mostly about feeling trapped and having no sense of control over my own life. No wonder that girl killed herself. I am so sorry to hear about Josh. I was in Spring Creek back when they first opened up in 96 97 when there was only 2 cabins. Eugene would give me all the answers, he probably heard those stories a million times! The Pullans were alsoinvolvedin Camas Ranch, an apparent attempt to remake a portion of the facility into an 18+ program, which failed. He seems have first gotten involved in WWASP in 1996, when he opened Spring Creek Lodge with the Pullan brothers, serving as Vice President. Located in the heart of Paradise Valley, the scenery located along the spring creek is some of the best in the state. As well as the therapists and staff. Oh and if you struggle with school work good luck. I turned 18 and had my graduation ceremony at the lodge. The counselor I was manated to see one time because I was new at the time told me about crazy mushroom picking he did with his girlfriend and started touching my legs and shit. Many of the staff and fellow students came to know me as Cook or Cooker. I was hoping theyd let me talk to my mom if I made it serious enough and instead they sent me to the town doctor who said he would need to cauterize my nose because it wouldnt stop bleeding. My name is Trent, I was in Excel with Henry, Brad, Matt, Bill, Jesse, Scott, Jason and a whole bunch of other little fuckers that were honestly mostly pretty funny kids. Im sad to hear about Karley and how she felt before her death. Her name was Emily Gleason. I have since married and had three children, and can say I am pretty happy in my life. We had to have been at SCC together at the same time, I mean, everything you said in your post was perfect. The only staff member that I think most of us respected was Papa Mike, because he was a descent guy. All data about Spring Creek Inn: corporate office address, support phones, working hours, customer complaints, etc. ? MLS ID #2497935. Do you have any idea where they could have taken her? The variety of ranch properties for sale in Montana fulfill every outdoor-loving whim. It was a bad experience because I learned to see the good side of otherwise evil people and empathize which has cost me a lot, but it also taught me to not be afraid of bullies. Please know that God loves you and will forgive anything and everything you did back then or have done since; all you have to do is ask. Lodge packages include all meals and guided fishing so you can sit back, relax and enjoy a great fly fishing vacation, Enjoy great fishing and keep your costs in check with one of our hotel packages. even that lil Damon, half the reason i took my exit right on my bday. Sorry to hear that these places lasted so long. That was what finally broke me. My heart goes out to all the rest of you who went. Yep, the essay pitI remember the Huck Finnand there was Call of the Wild by Jack London too. But if a program does it, using staff that usually had high school diplomas at max and who were paid around minimum wage and poorly trained if at all, while charging tens of thousands of dollars a year, somehow it becomes okay? Mariam, I am so sorry to hear about kareem! I was the only girl graduating with like 6 other guys so didnt exactly have a deep bond with my group, but they were all nice guys I just didnt know them at all and sort of stayed on separation. And I will admit if anyone deserved to be at a place for troubled youth it was me. Im not gonna say it was the worst time of my life, but it was after all I did learn some stuff I used today, How to read people, use the word manipulation!!!! The best spring creek fishing in Montana Guest Cabin on the Creek Make your Montana experience unforgettable: Be our guest in this quaint, rustic cabin sitting on the banks of upper Armstrong's Spring Creek. Hell, I would bet just about everyone on this site is more qualified than these Utardssorry Utahns. There is no wrong or right only what works This phrase still haunts me to this day. My parents grew wary of them after a few phone calls and a letter I sent to my father using codes and I was pulled after about 7 months of intense madness of a true American teenie gulag. Walk to the chow hall heel to toe dont move your head to the right of left or your Jr. Staff is going to write you up saying you were trying to look at females and lose those points. That was more new news. I think him and his wife lived in an old converted school bus somewhere outside of town. Now its Tuesday night. I was there in 2004 2005. Stocked Trout pond right out the door with large trout ready to take your f1y! I stopped talking and listening until they didnt know what to do with me. Someone mentioned that it was a place where we lost our dreams and it seems like that US true bc everything th a rd happened to me after I left has been a result of what that place made me become. I begged my mom in letters to let me stay in the middle of nowhere in the snow and not send me back but of course my family rep from SkyView insisted I return and complete the program (Obviously for money, doing her job). When were youuuuu there? I am truly sorry that I sent my daughter there. I think I remember Eugene because he had a hearing aid that he used to let me wear for fun, and he was an awesome kid from California, too. I got put in exile and literally had to sleep in the woods where everyone could see me but not talk to me I froze my ass off. Sending you lots of love and good vibes from CA. Consequently, It was very easy for me to lose points for being unconscious and neglectful, especially when all the girls in leadership positions used to watch us like hawks and consequent us for every minor mistake. I was strip-searched upon arrival. Lot of names I cant remember, but can see their faces. what up david. maggie.bidwell@gmail.com, I am trying to help my boyfriend piece together the story of his time at Spring Creek Lodge. The stream continues to flow another 2.8 miles before the confluence with the Yellowstone. Parents always care and sometimes care too much, that will never change. I dont remember alot of peoples names from then but I do remember jay and Eugene and gabe. I hate it here, its like a Jail Im scared, I want my mother The counselor lady quickly looks at me and loudly exclaims its not a jail, its a boarding school. Clearview Girls Academy, Heron Montana. Wow ok, I felt that was a little strong and forcefully unneeded information. Ill never forget watching her all alone up there and feeling so horrible about just sitting there while the facilitator asks her to move on to her next trauma. What is this facility? The rules that we had to follow so as not to lose a point if a student broke one. Is your name Billy Roberts? Wow thats weird, whats that connection? My advice when dealing with your daughter on this subject would be to try to sit down and talk to her. Find out when to come, what equipment to bring, browse blog articles, and more. I would ask to go to the Hobbit every time a seminar came up. We could only eat three meals a day, plus one snack, so when we snuck extra pop tarts for friends that was a triumph. It never goes away no matter how long in the rear view the experience was. Hi Anita Have you read the book Come Back by Claire and Mia Fontaine? Reflections is terrible and I hate Mickey Manning. Can you give me more info?? We never deserved that nor the awful mental and emotional repercussions that still longer and influence us today. After extensive prepping and planning. im no saint by any standards, but the hell that was spring creek definitely left its dark mark on my soul. With no access to telephones or computers, my only connection to the outside world was through letters to my parents. Thank God!! I could go on and on about how ridiculously abusive and absurd the conditions were. Updated 3,500 sq ft. luxury home with 4 beds, 3 baths, and gourmet kitchen and detached garage 10-acre high-fenced ranch headquarters with barn, sheds, and fruit trees with plenty of fenced space for chickens, goats and gardens Fencing throughout the property, ready for horses and cattle High producing fields ready for production or lease They humiliated me on purpose for furthering the breaking down process of their mental conditioning. Then your going to eat generic count chocula cereal or some bland ass oatmeal without butter or sugar if youre not a level two. As the town of Lewistown grew, the creek, especially sections south of town began to degrade through water diversions for irrigation and power as well as some channelization to straighten sections to reclaim land and mitigate the effects of annual spring flooding. He would take the senior staff out and theyd all get drunk. The McCoy Spring Creek Ranch boasts 1,209 +/- acres of pure recreational splendor. One day we heard that two boys managed to leave. Yeah I soent time in jail..but thats what woke me up! It would be nice to talk, Grant~ I just read your post Grant was in the van haha sup fool. Roderick Brown. That place haunts me everyday and every night, and I suffer from PTSD thanks to that hell hole. Me and Mark? I was at SCLA in their final days of neglect and deceit. I was there in 2006 i believe I was in courage family the place was hell I never passed level 1 I remember the room at the top of the hill the most the punishment room intervention or whatever it was called I spent most my time there it smelled like piss and or puke it was exactly like a prison sell except In prison we got a mattress and a tv there we got a stinky carpet covered wooden or metal bunk I spent several years in prison and that place made prison seem like a resort its probably half the reason I went to prison it institutionalized me at 15 it made me numb to being incarcerated incarceration felt normal and easy compared to that shit hole if there are any lawsuits I can join please contact me tirnerlegacyconstruction@gmail.com. Before that I lost mass amounts of weight because the food was almost inedible. Gavin!!! what a load of crap that is NOT what went on..That was a program meant for kids that needed tough guidance.. Looked official. At the same time Ive seen some kids get body slammed to the ground when they were showing agression in intervention. Its been almost 20 fucking years, I still hear that phrase every fucking day. I remember you, I believe. SCL wasclosed in 2009 after a dramatic drop in enrollment and a failed attempt to convert part of the facility into an 18+ program called Camas Ranch. If u didnt get anything out of the program its your own doing. I cant believe after all we have been through we now have to deal with this Scared clutching the back railing. They didnt fuck with us anymore after that. She at-least had a mother. This program truly DID open my eyes to how FOOLISH and STUPID i was acting as a teenager. We use cookies to analyze website traffic and optimize your website experience. I would love to see much of the staff I remember, Mike Needham, Mike Tarry, Dan (the former Marine), Miss Lee, Mr. Donaldson, Miss Amy and again many others whose names not remembered but faces well known.I was there for the Bigfoot (Red) vs Bear (Blue) months. Gabe, wow man. Im dumb founded why anyone in there right mind would stay at this place voluntarily. The Pullansserved as owners and administrators of the SCL facility until 2009, when the school was closed. it ruined years of my life just by being a part of the pain, distance, etc my boyfriend went through. Spring Creek Ranch. Then your going to get back to dick to butt and walk heel toe back to your family dorm to sit kuymbya in a circle with your family father and family counselor to read some shit you learned from the day before. I was in there from 2002-2004, also in Serenity. It was a cross between a military school and a cult. 2004 SCL was investigated concerning the death of a 17 year old girl by The [] I started hitting my self in the face, like punching my face so hard over and over again. MLS #. I was tricked into going to boarding school at 15 and my mom drove me from Cali. My dad would come home in tears because of the things he was forced to do just to keep a roof over my head until he couldnt take it anymore and had to quit and this school was just ran by ONE of the old employees of SCL. Then they finally let me talk to my mother. Now living outside OKC, very rural. He was a good friend to me and if it wasnt for him I might not have made it out that place. And thats at a bare minimum, giving him the probably-unwarranted benefit of the doubt and assuming he never actually abused anyone himself. I had already seen where parents had decided to take their kids back and the school PUT THE KIDS OUT. I was in Spring Creek from 2001-2004 was the only person I am aware of to be kicked out of PC3, as a level 6- for being honest about my home contract. Mike Linderman deserves to be in jail. I would like to hear from you guys that were there in the beginning like I was. Seans story, 2003 I remember u from the swing dance pep rally I think. Chaffin nor Dana didnt have the balls to drop me from lvl 6 when they found out about the rampant cheat in their successful school program. I am Brann Adams and I went to Spring Creek Community around 1988. SPRINGWATER RANCH: Features Intersected (Location): BCH OF CAMPBELLS CREEK (SEC 14 T 3N R 4E B) Year Built: 1983: Year Reconstructed: . Information related to travelling to Montana: which airports to fly into, major towns, etc. After running all night in the freezing cold(my sweat was frozen to my beanie),I was caught the next morning around 10am. DePuy Spring Creek is considered by many to be one of the finest spring creeks on the planet. I wont say I want to visit for closure because like previously stated my experience helped me, it did not harm me. Zach was there because his alternative wouldve been juvenile prison. The deed to the ranch, a vital part of the larger Matador Cattle Company, says Koch, but to J.D., it's the only home he knows. Trying to find my best friend at the time Tristan!! Hi. any spring creek lodge people have any luck getting their transcripts?? Everything was designed to turn you into a shell of a human so you would be grateful when they let you have butter in your oatmeal, or ketchup on your burger. We pick you up each day at the hotel and in the evenings you can enjoy fun western towns like Bozeman and Livingston, Browse our large network of vacation homes and cabins that are either on the water or centrally located to great fishing.